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Jen Rubin's Green Room

47: A Mass Movement To Save Democracy with Michael Podhorzer

Jen Rubin's Green Room

Jen Rubin's Green Room

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4.8578 Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2024

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Jen calls for a ceasefire in the Israel-Gaza war and welcomes labor leader Michael Podhorzer.  They discuss how the rural-cosmopolitan divide has framed our politics from the founding to the present day, the role white Christian nationalism has played in the rise of MAGA, the threat extremist groups pose to our freedoms, and how we can preserve our democracy.  Their analysis lays out the importance of mass movements, the need to revitalize unions, and how to counter corporate media by informing the public about the dangers we face if we want our system to endure.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Jen Rubin, and this is Jen Rubin's Green Room. It's only Tuesday, and it seems like we've already had a week or so of news. Let's start with a tragedy in Israel. The Israelis accidentally

0:23.4

set off a strike that killed seven of Jose Andrus's World Central Kitchen employees. These people,

0:35.2

I think, are angels, and most people feel the same way.

0:38.3

It is an enormous tragedy, and of course Israel Bellar's responsibility.

0:44.3

Bibi Net Nahu got out there and said, well, this is war, this happens.

0:49.3

This is why you need to curtail war.

0:52.3

This is why you need to bring it to a close because innocence

0:56.6

are harmed. It's bizarre thinking. It's absolutely maniacal thinking that Israel simply goes on

1:05.1

without a concern for the damage they're doing along the way, without concern for the damage they're

1:10.6

doing to their own reputation.

1:13.0

But this is only a stunt, I believe at this point, this continual, ongoing, grinding war for him to stay in power.

1:24.2

And this invasion of Rafa, the administration, our administration, hasn't heard any plan for it.

1:31.1

I don't know that he has a plan for this. Again, if he simply delays, he talks tough, he promises a

1:38.6

invasion to end Hamas once and for all, then his right-wing coalition sticks together. He makes the Americans

1:46.3

upset, which in turn draws his coalition even closer, and he stays in power. We've got to put an

1:53.7

end to this. We've got to put our foot down. We have to demand not simply an Israeli investigation,

1:59.3

but an international investigation.

2:01.8

And we have to level with them.

2:03.4

At some point, the war becomes disproportionate

2:08.0

to the harm they are doing as measured against the security

2:11.7

they are gaining.

2:13.2

That's when you get into the realm of war crimes,

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