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Michael and Us

#468 - Citizen of the World

Michael and Us

Luke Savage and Will Sloan

Tv & Film

4.6668 Ratings

🗓️ 19 October 2023

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

With the crisis in Gaza on our minds, we spend a little time with one of the most acclaimed Palestinian filmmakers, Elia Suleiman, and his lovely film IT MUST BE HEAVEN (2019). * "We Cannot Cross Until We Carry Each Other" by Arielle Angel - https://jewishcurrents.org/we-cannot-cross-until-we-carry-each-other * Order Luke's new book "Seeking Social Democracy: Seven Decades in the Fight for Equality," coauthored with Ed Broadbent - ecwpress.com/products/seeking-s…cracy-ed-broadbent TORONTO: See Luke and Ed Broadbent in conversation at the Toronto Reference Library on October 22 - www.eventbrite.ca/e/seeking-social…ets-713793665067 VANCOUVER: See Luke and Ed at the Central Library on November 1 - vpl.bibliocommons.com/events/650b36e…0219cf8b5cf95f Join us on Patreon for an extra episode every week - https://www.patreon.com/michaelandus

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0:00.0

Well, welcome to Michael and us. I'm Will Sloan, here as always with. Luke Savage, welcome back,

0:05.0

everyone. A lot has happened since we last recorded. We're recording this episode on the afternoon

0:11.1

of Wednesday, October 18th. I mentioned that because, as you know, the news is moving very fast,

0:16.8

so anything can have happened by the evening by tomorrow or whenever this comes out.

0:22.3

I think I might just start by saying, I don't know how you feel, Luke, the last two weeks have

0:26.7

been one of the most politically clarifying times of my life, maybe the most politically

0:33.4

clarifying. Obviously, don't need to tell people the abject horror that we've seen. But in addition

0:40.8

to what's happening in Gaza, the response from the Western leaders, from our leaders,

0:47.3

you know, if you're an American listener or a British listener from your leaders, I'm hesitant to be

0:52.0

hyperbolic, but I can't think of anything I've seen in my

0:54.5

lifetime that's been quite as clarifying about, you know, what the true priorities, the true

0:59.7

commitments of the liberal leaders. The rules-based international order that we're so constantly

1:05.4

told exists. The liberal leaders. And that is the basis for, you know, the moral credibility

1:10.8

of Western liberal

1:12.0

democracies when they orient themselves throughout the world. Culminating with yesterday,

1:17.2

the bombing of the Al-Ali hospital, which the campaign of obfuscation around that, up to and including

1:26.8

Joe Biden and Israel today, saying, God, what did he

1:31.6

say? Like, oh, from everything I've seen, it looks like it was the other team. I mean, they can't even,

1:38.4

it's so cynical. It's just right in front of us. It's a true maskoff moment. Yeah, I mean, of course, you know,

1:44.6

we don't know 100% what happened here, but suffice it to say, I mean, it does seem very

1:49.8

unlikely given the details surrounding what happened at the hospital that the, you know,

1:55.3

official story offered of, you know, a rocket that misfired is true. In fact, of all places, there was some very good

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