468. Canada Can’t Defend Itself | J.O. Michel Maisonneuve, Barbara Maisonneuve, and Mark Norman

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🗓️ 1 August 2024

⏱️ 97 minutes

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Dr. Jordan Peterson sits down with J.O. Michel Maisonneuve, Barbara Anne Maisonneuve, and Mark Norman. They discuss the implementation of DEI policy in the Canadian Armed Forces, the move away from meritocracy, the overreaction to sexual misconduct — while acknowledging the existing problems — and the country's loss of credibility on the world stage. Lieutenant-General J.O. Michel Maisonneuve, CMM, MSC, CD is a former Canadian Army officer who has served as the Assistant Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff of Canada and Chief of Staff of NATO's Allied Command Transformation in Norfolk. He is also the 30th recipient of the Vimy Award. Barbara joined the Canadian Armed Forces at 18, first as a Military Policeman, then graduated from the Royal Military College with a Bachelor’s degree into the Logistics branch. She proudly served 21 years sporting the light blue Royal Canadian Air Force uniform. After her service, Barbara chaired the Première Gala that raised funds and celebrated the reopening of the historic Westdale Theatre in Hamilton, and she has helped raise millions for our veterans and serving soldiers. Mark Norman retired from the Royal Canadian Navy in the rank of Vice-Admiral in August of 2019 after over 39 years of service. Since retirement, Norman has applied his energy to a variety of pursuits including as Champion for the Royal Canadian Benevolent Fund, Senior Defense Strategist at Samuel Associates, Director at Genoa Designs, he also contributes frequently to the important debate about security and defense issues in Canada as both a fellow with the Global Affairs Institute and as a member of the Conference of Defence Associations Board. This episode was recorded on July 8th, 2024 - Links - For Michel Maisonneuve: In Defense of Canada: Reflections of a Patriot (book) https://www.amazon.com/Defence-Canada-Reflections-Patriot/dp/1990823955 RMC and RMC Saint-Jean programs and explanations: https://forces.ca/en/paid-education/rotp

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0:00.0	Hey everybody so today we're doing a bit of a dive into the state of the
0:19.2	Canadian military and it's not just that because it's also a deep dive into the state of the Canadian political situation.
0:30.0	And then more broadly, I would say, somewhat of an analysis of a very important fragment of the
0:36.1	culture war, which is, let's say, the relationship between postmodernism and critical race theory
0:42.3	and DEI equity nonsense and the most patriarchal of all institutions,
0:48.6	the military. And so it's an issue of broad international significance with a Canadian focus.
0:55.2	There's a bit of a crisis in the Canadian military, especially with regards to
1:00.6	personal retention and recruitment. and that's emblematic of a much deeper
1:05.9	problem and so we're going to dive into that problem it's taken me a while but I found some
1:10.9	people from the Canadian military who are willing and able to speak
1:15.0	Mark Norman from the Navy Michelle Meisner from the Army and Barbara Krasich Meisnerv from the Air Force and so we're all going to talk today about the
1:27.3	crisis that's facing the Canadian military and perhaps the military elsewhere and
1:31.6	why the military in Canada is necessary and what role it's going to play in the future and
1:37.4	what problems it's suffering from that can't be let's say easily gathered under the rubric of DEI emergency, because perhaps that's the last of the serious problems that's truly facing the Canadian military.
1:51.0	Let's start, sir, will you introduce yourself and I'll go through all three of you and away will go?
1:57.0	Thanks Dr. Peterson for having me and the rest of us here. My name is Mark Norman.
2:02.0	I'm a retired naval officer, third generation
2:06.1	Canadian military officer. I served 39 years in the Royal Canadian Navy
2:12.1	starting as a reservist mechanic and rising through the ranks,
2:17.6	having a whole bunch of great opportunities to do a bunch of really fun and some not so fun things over that career. I retired in
2:26.2	2019 after having commanded the Navy itself, the actual institution of the Royal Canadian Navy
2:34.6	as part of the Canadian Forces,
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