#462: How People-Pleasing Is Killing Your Relationships with Dr. Robert Glover
The Mark Groves Podcast
Mark Groves
4.9 • 5K Ratings
🗓️ 7 July 2025
⏱️ 83 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to another episode of the Mark Groves podcast. There's been this, man, it feels like, |
| 0:07.4 | many-decade conversation about what it means to be a nice guy and the toxicity of nice guys, |
| 0:15.0 | and nice guys finish last. I think this conversation is actually really important in the context of men, |
| 0:23.0 | you know, because there is a large conversation about men being more avoidant. And I think if you |
| 0:28.2 | look at the research and the history of that, that's true. That makes sense from a socialization |
| 0:33.6 | perspective, etc. But it seems to be that there is a shift happening. And I've heard this from |
| 0:41.8 | lots of people that, you know, maybe because of the conversations about gender roles and more |
| 0:47.9 | women, you know, graduating with degrees and being the primary breadwinners, etc. There's a lot of |
| 0:53.8 | shifting in how we arrange relationally. etc. There's a lot of shifting in how we arrange |
| 0:55.6 | relationally. And there's also a lot of conversation about women and men switching spots in |
| 1:02.1 | terms of women actually becoming more avoidant and men being more anxious. Now, the context and |
| 1:07.9 | subject of today's conversation with a world-renowned expert in the space of men. |
| 1:14.4 | And his book, and his name is Robert Glover, his book, No More Mr. Nice Guy, had a profound impact on me. |
| 1:22.0 | One of my favorite quotes from him is that if you don't stand up to her, she doesn't believe you'll stand up for her. |
| 1:31.8 | And I think that's a really powerful quote, that if you don't stand up to her, she won't believe you'll stand up for her. |
| 1:39.8 | And this idea that if we don't have a backbone, if we don't stand in our truth, then people won't |
| 1:46.0 | trust us because innately we won't be trustworthy and this is where we unconsciously test people |
| 1:51.6 | in relationship. Now, regardless of whether you're a man or a woman or you date men or women, |
| 1:58.5 | the pathology of what makes someone become a quote-unquote nice guy or nice girl, |
| 2:04.6 | but the things that shape each gender culturally will be quite different or maybe from like |
| 2:12.3 | movies and books and, you know, whatever it might be. |
| 2:16.6 | If we're growing up in religious places, the country |
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