462: Del Bigtree—An Inconvenient Study

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

Society & Culture, History

4.8 • 39.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Summary

On this eye-opening episode, Mike welcomes filmmaker and television veteran Del Bigtree of The HighWire to discuss his newest documentary, An Inconvenient Study—a film that investigates what happened to the most thorough childhood vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study ever done. They discuss how Del convinced a doctor at one of the most prestigious health institutes in the nation to conduct the study, the shocking findings, and why the study has never seen the light of day… until now.

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0:00.0	Hey guys, it's Mike Rowe. This is the way I heard it. My guest today is Dell Big Tree,
0:08.6	and the title of this episode is an inconvenient study. Tell them why, Chuck.
0:14.4	Well, that's the name of Dell's most recent movie, an inconvenient study, which is about a study
0:20.4	that is very inconvenient for a lot of people.
0:23.7	Oh, man.
0:24.8	This is, if you don't follow me over on socials, let me just tell you real quick what's happened
0:30.6	like over the last month or so or two, I guess.
0:33.4	I interviewed Gavin DeBecker about his book called Forbidden Facts.
0:38.4	And it sort of went viral, I suppose, lots and lots of conversation about this whole business of autoimmune diseases being linked to various vaccine schedules.
0:52.3	And a lot of people were upset with me because they think that all of those
0:57.7	theories are conspiracy theories, and they think that all of those concerns have been debunked.
1:04.5	And I completely respect that point of view. What I don't respect and what I wasn't persuaded by was the type of argument that
1:13.6	sort of evolved over there on Facebook, which basically came down to shut up, Mike, the science is
1:21.5	settled. That's been debunked. I can't believe you would hang out, blah, blah, blah, and a lot of ad hominant stuff.
1:29.4	So anyway, this conversation has been ongoing.
1:32.8	And for the record, I am not anti-vaccine at all.
1:38.9	In fact, I'm fully vaccinated, as far as I know, with every vaccine a person can get, including the COVID vaccine.
1:48.3	But I'm troubled more and more here of late, specifically by the exploding instances of childhood
1:58.9	diseases that are consistent with the exploding schedule of childhood vaccines.
2:07.7	I think what you're trying to say, Mike, is that the more vaccine, you know, as time goes by,
2:11.8	kids are getting more and more vaccines, and at the same time, kids are getting more and more
2:16.8	chronic diseases. Now, is it causation?
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