458. AMMA — Finding Your Identity Inside and Outside of Your Business

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Marketing, Entrepreneurship, Business, Management

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

What happens when the drive that built your firm starts costing you the life you wanted it to support? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three questions from firm owners who built real success but then realized the business was taking a toll on their health, marriage, and personal lives. Michael Mogill shares how he thinks about separating who you are from what you run, how to stay demanding without becoming unapproachable, and how to stay motivated when the old underdog story stops working. Here's what you'll learn: How to rethink "starting over" when the business is consuming your time and attention How to keep high standards while creating a culture where your team is not afraid to challenge you How to find a new source of drive when you have already achieved what used to motivate you If you want a business that supports your life, you have to build it so it does not require you for everything. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:21) Where to Find the Psychos at 6 AM (00:04:40) When Did You Last Jump Or Sprint? (00:05:24) Van Damme Volvo Commercial (00:07:13) Why Hard Things Build Confidence (00:08:54) Q1: Who Am I Without My Firm? (00:12:42) What Do You Actually Want Now? (00:14:12) Q2: Intense… Or Intimidating? (00:18:06) Why Vulnerability Builds Trust (00:19:19) Q3: Losing Underdog Status (00:21:29) The “Infinite Game” Mindset (00:23:25) Rapid-Fire Wrap Links & Resources: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs "The Epic Split" Rocky III Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 434. AMMA - Unconditional Love and Other Business Disasters 423. AMMA - How to Actually Scale Your Standards 383. AMMA - Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Your Law Firm

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0:00.0	What would you do if you didn't have any connections and you didn't have any money?
0:04.7	You had to start over and I'm like, all good.
0:06.3	You didn't take the thing that was most valuable away from me, which is the knowledge and
0:09.3	the experience and the wisdom and the insights and all the things you've learned along
0:12.4	the way because that's where the true value came.
0:25.6	I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company. I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:28.6	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,
0:33.6	earning a spot on the Inc 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:38.3	Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth
0:41.8	within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed welfare
0:45.6	owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative
0:49.9	market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive in the face
0:54.3	of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer.
0:59.6	This is Jessica, head of coaching strategy at Crisp, and today we're flipping the script
1:04.2	for another special edition episode to get Michael's take on, addressing burnout and the sustainability
1:09.5	of a grind-first identity, how to balance
1:12.1	authentic leadership intensity with being an approachable mentor, and maintaining drive
1:16.9	and ambition once survival is no longer your goal.
1:19.6	The person who's just driven solely by money, once they get enough money, they're satiated,
1:23.6	right?
1:24.6	But if it's about how many people you can take with you, that's an infinite game. And that becomes a truly dangerous adversary because that person never stops. It's about creating bigger and
1:31.2	bigger and bigger and bigger impact. That's coming up on the Game Changing Attorney podcast.
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