457: Alex Epstein—Did Bill Gates Change His Mind

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

Society & Culture, History

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🗓️ 4 November 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Mike joins author and energy expert Alex Epstein to discuss Bill Gates' surprising new stance on climate change, the growing clash between "human-centric" and "anti-impact" environmentalism, and how the AI revolution is reshaping global energy demands. They also explore what this shift means for philanthropy, fossil fuels, and the future workforce driving America's next energy boom.

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0:00.0	Full disclosure, we were going to take the week off.
0:06.0	And then we didn't.
0:08.0	Because Chuck, the world just simply won't slow down.
0:12.0	And I can't ignore the headlines.
0:14.0	This is the way I heard it, by the way.
0:16.0	And I'm still Mike Roe, and that's still Chuck Klausmeyer.
0:19.0	And the question, Chuck, is, did Bill Gates just
0:21.8	change his mind? Well, it sure seemed like it to me. And during this conversation, you'll find out
0:28.0	what Alex Epstein thinks about it. Yeah, I called Alex right away. Last week, Bill Gates wrote a memo
0:34.9	that went around the world very quickly.
0:38.2	Yeah.
0:38.5	Where he basically, well, he said that while climate change was still of concern to him,
0:46.2	he wanted to go on the record as saying it does not pose a threat to humanity.
0:51.0	Right.
0:51.6	Which is a big deal.
0:52.8	That's a very, very big deal.
0:55.3	And it seems like a change in course of action to me. It does. Now, Alex is our go-to guy. Of course, he's written a couple of
1:03.5	amazing books that really, I'm so pleased that listeners have purchased them as a result of his
1:10.4	appearances on this podcast.
1:13.3	But many, many, many other people
1:14.8	have purchased them too, the moral case
1:17.2	for fossil fuels and fossil future.
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