Hello, friends. It's still me, Mike Rowan. This is still the way I heard it. And as far as I know,

that's Chuck staring at me still through my computer. How are you, buddy?

I'm great, Mike. How are you doing? I'll tell you, man, I am still a wash in the forbidden facts,

showered upon me. one of my favorite guests.

And I think I actually mention at the end that if you're going to have a dinner party,

and if you have an opportunity to get Gavin DeBecker, to come by and just hold court,

you might not agree with every single thing he believes or has to say,

but I am telling you, the stories will go deep into the night,

and you will have him back.

And he will make you think,

because whether you who believe him or not,

he is well-sourced, as is his book.

Yeah.

Gavin and I met almost two years ago now, back with that crazy dance I did with

Bobby Kennedy when he was running for the big office.

And there was some crazy talk going around about what a world would look like if I were his VP.

We don't really get into that. Those facts

are not forbidden, by the way. But that's how I got to know Gavin. And the more I got to know him,

the more interested I was in the kind of life he had led. And, you know, he's sat on several

presidential, what is it, like commissions or he's, I think so.

Yeah.

He's like the go-to guy in the world of security, both cybersecurity, as well as personal protection.

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