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This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms.

I'm Ariel Laurie, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with people shaping how we feel, live, and look.

Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out.

Today's episode is one of those conversations that I love so much because it really feels like

you are just listening to two women talk about things that aren't often talked about out loud when there are microphones on.

And I really think that you are going to relate a lot to it no matter where you are in life.

So I'm talking to Giselle Orentas. She is somebody who has done so much deep personal work.

And you can tell because she has presence and she has radiance that

you just cannot fake if you're not doing that inner work. So we are talking a lot today about

major life transitions and learning how to trust yourself again. And I think what makes this

conversation so compelling is how honest it is.

Like I said, we're talking about things that people don't always say out loud, like leaving a

relationship with a good person, which I know is something that resonates with you guys so much

because when I have talked about this, particularly with my divorce, a lot of people have

reached out with questions about how I came

to that decision and how I actually took that leap, which can be so scary. We also talk about

how hormones can impact your mood and even your relationship and what confidence actually

looks like as you get older. And of course we get into beauty. She, like I said, is so

radiant in her 40s. And she really has a minimalist approach to beauty, which I love hearing,

because it's different from my approach. And we talk about mindset shifts that matter more than

any product. It's just really thoughtful. It's nuanced. And I think a lot of you are going to

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