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becoming one. Okay, we're back with another episode of more from Sam. Hi, Sam. Hey, good to see you. Good to see you as well.

Once again, I just want to quickly remind everyone that you will be giving talks in a number of cities in North America this year. This week, we have L.A., which is sold out. Congrats. That'll be fun.

And then coming up we have Dallas, Austin, Portland,

Vancouver, Toronto, D.C., and ending in New York City again. So if you want to see Sam now is the time to do it. While touring can be a lot of fun, it's also hard work, not to mention you have to stand up there for nearly two hours straight. Yeah, yeah, the talk keeps getting longer. I keep trying to cut it back, but events happen.

So, yeah.

Yeah, I've learned to stop making any suggestions. I keep asking you to cut 15 minutes in. You add 15 minutes. So I'm just going to be quiet. But it's a great show and it's a cool experience to see you deliver it live and anyone wanting to buy tickets can head over to samharris.org now and you can find all the info there. Okay, so many things happening that I don't even

know where to begin from Renee Good, ICE in general, Greenland, tariffs on the EU for intervening

in Greenland, the potential collapse of NATO, and I haven't even gotten to Iran and Venezuela

and Maduro might as well have happened a year ago. And it seems like... That was just like two

weeks ago. I mean, it's been incredible two weeks. Yeah, well, it seems like the Epstein files have successfully fallen out of the news again. And do we even have time to cover the latest round of anti-Semitism? Plus, I want to get your take on prediction markets and gambling apps, the latest on AI and discuss Ben Shapiro's appearance on Gavin Newsom's podcast and anything you hope to discuss with Ben when he's on your podcast next month and more. Let's see how much of this we can get to today. So which emergency would you like to start with? How about ICE and Renee Good? Yeah, I guess we could. I did speak about that on Scott Callow's podcast at some length. So some people have seen that, I think.

But yeah, I'm happy to cover that. Yeah, just want you give us a little synopsis of what you said

over there and then we can go from there. Well, I mean, there's so many aspects to it that are

regrettable. I mean, like, there's nothing about this that is normal. The more general problem is that we're getting lulled into a sense of a new normal that is so

aberrant, right?

It's so unacceptable.

It should be so unacceptable to everyone.

This is just a completely nonpartisan feeling of revulsion that is coming over the

country for what we're seeing here.

I mean, just the behavior of ICE, the fact that you have, you know, masked and quite obviously

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