This is a great conversation with Dr Robert Lufkin, who is a US doctor,

and he's written a book about lies he learned at medical school.

He talks about things he learned at medical school aren't quite what he knows now.

And we know this because evidence is changing all the time.

But he talks a lot about chronic diseases

and the underlying cause being related to inflammation, something I'm very fond of. So thinking

about how we as individuals can reduce inflammation through our lifestyle and hormones, of course,

really important. So it's a very riveting conversation for you to enjoy and to learn from.

So Rob, I've been stalking you for a little while and I read your book quite soon after it came out.

And to be honest, so many pages I've turned down and I've gone back and read and reread it. And it resonated so much

with the way that my mind, my brain has changed over the last 30 years of being a doctor.

And when I came out of medical school, I thought I knew everything and I thought everything I

learned at medical school would just put me in good stead

until the time I retired. And it's changed every day I learn new things from my patients and every day

I learn new things from reading different articles and scientific evidence and literature

and reading books like this as well. So your book is called Lies.

I taught in medical school how conventional medicine is making you sicker

and what you can do to save your life.

So it's a pretty powerful cover here.

So can you just explain a bit about your background

and then why you wrote this book,

which is a New York Times bestseller, I like to add.

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