Hello, welcome to best case, worst case.

My name is Maureen O'Connell.

I'm a 25-year veteran of the FBI, retired now, and I was also a 20-year member of the

evidence response team.

And with me today is...

Hi, it's Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor,

Red, reducer of criminal minds, and Bluebeard on Audible.

And it's great to see again, Maureen.

You too, buddy.

Yeah, and we've been talking about the traumatic effects of being in law enforcement

and being a first responder. And I think we need to get

a little bit more into your family and the things that you've experienced not only in your

own career, but with your father and your sisters and all your family members because everybody

everybody in your family seems to be related to law enforcement or fire or EMT work so um why

you tell us a little bit about i know you've already mentioned growing up, you know,

your father was a fireman and the traumatic effects of that.

But what about your siblings?

My brother Jim was a deputy chief with the Chicago Fire Department over the EMS.

And my sister, Eileen, was a 28-year, I believe, paramedic with the city of Chicago.

And my brother, Michael, is a current firefighter, EMT.

And my husband and son are both, my husband's a retired law enforcement, and my son is currently in law enforcement. I have cousins that are firefighters,

uncles, police officers. My sister was Sue was a police officer. God rest her soul. And my grandfather,

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