Hey Maureen, how you doing? Good, Jim. How are you? Good to see you. I'm good. Thank you.

So today you wanted to talk about something important and very personal, actually, for both of us.

Yeah.

I wanted to talk about the trauma that most first responders experience in their lifetime and how it differs in a general sense from what the population at large experiences.

And I'm talking about, you know, the average citizen experiences,

they say two to three significant traumatic events within their lifetime. And law enforcement

in a 20-year career, that number can exceed 1, right the the the difference is is extreme

and the effects I think would would would would go along with that do you do you

agree I mean I think it's cumulative and I think there's a lot of well there's a lot

of examples in our lives. I know we've both

been through a lot and our families have been through a lot as a result too. Your family, especially,

because you have so many family members that are in law enforcement and first responders.

So why don't we jump into the episode and then we'll get into it.

Sounds good.

All right.

Hello and welcome to Best Case, Worst Case.

This is Jim Clemente.

Retired FBI Profiler former New York City prosecutor and writer-producer of criminal minds and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is?

Maureen O'Connell, retired FBI agent and family member of many first responders.

Good morning.

It's good to see you.

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