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Kyle Kingsbury Podcast

#447 The Heart of Jesus w/ Aaron Abke

Kyle Kingsbury Podcast

Kyle Kingsbury

Fitness, Health & Fitness, Health & Fitness:fitness

4.7 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2026

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Kyle introduces guest Aaron Abke of the Jesus Way podcast, praising his focus on what Jesus taught beyond church dogma and his knowledge of Rudolf Steiner and the Law of One. After bonding over Bay Area roots and King’s Academy connections, Aaron shares his upbringing in a charismatic megachurch with supernatural experiences, then describes disillusionment at a legalistic church where women required “covering,” which led him to question biblical infallibility and Paul’s teachings versus Jesus’. He left Christianity, studied Alan Watts, Zen, Hinduism, and non-duality for years, but returned to Jesus’ “red letters” when those paths didn’t end suffering, emphasizing love, forgiveness, and deeds as salvation from present suffering. They discuss NDEs, plant medicine, service-to-others vs service-to-self, early Nazarene “Two Ways” teachings, gnosticism, the Gospel of Thomas’ authenticity, reincarnation of the Christ principle, and Aaron’s offerings through the Jesus Way podcast and 4D University.   Connect with Aaron here: Instagram 4D University   From Kyle: The Community is coming! Click here to learn more   Our Sponsors: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy. Go to Lucy.co/KKP and use promo code (KKP) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy offers FREE SHIPPING and has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind   Connect with Kyle: I'm back on Instagram, come say hey @kylekingsbu Twitter: @kingsbu Our Farm Initiative: @gardenersofeden.earth Odysee: odysee.com/@KyleKingsburypod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Kyle-Kingsbury Kyle's Website: www.kingsbu.com - Gardeners of Eden site If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe & leave a 5-star review with your thoughts!

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0:00.0

Welcome back to the podcast. We have a very special guest, Aaron Abke, also known as the host of the Jesus Way. Now, if you're like me, or at least how I've been the past, say, 15, the past 40 years of my life, that podcast title is a turnoff. It was a turnoff to me for many, many decades. And only recently have I not become a Christian or anything like that, but wanted to actually

0:24.1

study and know, like, what was it that Christ actually taught?

0:28.2

What did it mean to become the Christ?

0:30.5

And so if you've listened to my podcast with Edmund Knight, even my podcast with Dr.

0:34.3

Mark Gaffney, who talks about, you know, the teachings of Yeshua. There's some really

0:39.4

solid stuff there that goes well beyond dogma and, uh, religiosity for that matter. So I think

0:47.7

there's, you know, I have become quite curious to dive into these topics. And when I came

0:54.0

across Aaron, I saw him on Aubrey's podcast.

0:56.7

And then actually Edmund Knighton had just done a podcast when Edmunds taught some fantastic stuff to me on the life of Jesus and, you know, what it took to become the Christ.

1:05.5

Just incredible stuff.

1:07.7

But he has Aaron, I love this podcast through and through because of all the things he

1:12.5

lays out that he disagrees with from the church that he disagrees with regularly with christians so

1:19.4

if you're consider yourself a christian listen to this podcast don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

1:25.3

and see if there's things that are worth looking into that's all you, you know, if you don't consider yourself a Christian, if you consider yourself

1:31.3

agnostic or, you know, atheist, atheists, it might not be for you. But for people that have a

1:37.1

spiritual connection, you're going to love this podcast because Aaron has made it his life's work to

1:41.7

drill into what is exactly that Christ taught and how do we live

1:46.2

better. He also has a fantastic understanding of Rudolph Steiner and a fantastic understanding of the

1:51.6

law of one, which I have geeked out on this. That's why I had Edmund Knighton on the podcast to begin

1:54.9

with. So love, love, love this interview and we'll run it back for sure. Share this with friends

2:00.5

far and wide. Thank you guys.

2:05.0

We have, dude, we have so many mutual friends. Let's try, let's let's let's start that up. I love the small world shit. It's so funny to me when people are like, oh, you know, you know, so and so that

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