443: Rick Perry—The Fight of a Lifetime

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

Society & Culture, History

4.8 • 39.1K Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2025

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Summary

Former Texas Governor and U.S. Energy Secretary Rick Perry stops by to talk about two things most folks wouldn't expect in the same sentence—AI data farms and psychedelic therapy. Perry breaks down why the Lone Star State is set to become a digital powerhouse for AI server farms and what that means for energy, jobs, and infrastructure. Then the conversation turns to ibogaine—a little-known psychedelic that holds big promise for veterans and first responders battling PTSD and addiction. Texas just approved $50 million to study it, and Perry explains why.

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0:00.0	Hello, friends, Mike Rowe here with another episode of The Way I
0:07.4	It, starring Chuck Klausmeier.
0:09.6	Yes, thank you.
0:10.9	Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
0:12.1	It's good to be here.
0:14.2	Our guest today is actually a man who needs no introduction.
0:18.4	I mean, and yet, and yet, I must tell you that he was once the
0:24.0	governor of California and the... I don't believe he was the governor of California, Mike.
0:29.3	Oh, I'm sorry. What is the... Was it Texas? Yes, it was Texas. I could use those two of
0:33.8	him. If he heard you saying that, he that, he would probably want to belt you.
0:37.8	Well, you know what?
0:38.6	He's going to hear me.
0:39.5	Because I'm not going to edit out.
0:40.7	I'm sitting here in California, looking out at California.
0:43.6	And I said California.
0:45.1	Look, it's not the first mistake you'll hear me make in the next 90 minutes.
0:51.0	Actually, I think I did pretty good on this one.
0:53.5	He's easy to talk to and easy to listen to.
0:55.9	Oh, super easy.
0:57.0	And just seems like a genuinely nice guy.
1:00.3	Yeah.
1:00.7	Real nice guy.
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