439. How to Remove Disrespect and Bias From Your Team Culture with Kim Scott [Encore Edition]

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

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🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Radical respect is the prequel to radical candor. Without it, you won't bother challenging anyone. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kim Scott, author of Radical Candor and Radical Respect, to tackle the workplace dynamics that quietly destroy firm culture. Kim shares how a colleague's feedback on her own book exposed the blind spots she had around bias, prejudice, and bullying in the workplace, ultimately leading her to write Radical Respect. This conversation reveals how leaders accidentally exclude top talent through "oblivious" promotion processes, and why the brilliant jerk who delivers results will ultimately cost you more than they're worth. Kim gives you the exact language to use when things get uncomfortable, so you stop defaulting to silence. Here's what you'll learn: The difference between bias, prejudice, and bullying, and how to respond to each The “I/It/You” framework for course-correcting conversations that lack respect How to create a shared vocabulary for disrupting bias on your team It's better to have a hole in your team than an asshole on your team. ---- Show Notes: 03:09 – The feedback from a black woman CEO that made Kim realize what she'd missed. 09:15 – How to know if you're dealing with bias, prejudice, or bullying in the moment. 09:15 – The I, It, You framework for responding to each type of disrespect. 16:14 – Why leaders need to create three types of consequences for bullying behavior. 19:38 – The difference between healthy conflict and repeated bullying that ignores feedback. 20:55 – What it means to be an upstander versus a bystander when you witness bias. 23:46 – Why silence is the default and how to calculate the ROI of speaking up. 26:40 – How to create a shared vocabulary so your team knows what to say when bias happens. 36:06 – How oblivious exclusion shows up in promotion meetings and how to catch it. ---- Links & Resources: Radical Respect by Kim Scott Radical Candor by Kim Scott Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman Radical Candor Podcast Bob Sutton Episode 25. Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to be a Kickass Boss ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 369. Your Ego Is Making You Miserable with Cy Wakeman 352. Susan Fowler — Why Everything You Know About Motivating Your Team Might Be Completely Wrong 25. Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to be a Kickass Boss

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0:00.0	Too often, a leader ignores bullying behavior and, in fact, promotes that bully.
0:09.3	And there is a moment, I think, on almost every team's history where the assholes begin to win.
0:15.4	And that is the moment when the culture begins to lose.
0:19.7	That's Kim Scott, former Google Executive, renowned leadership coach, and the best-selling author
0:24.3	of Radical Candor and Radical Respect.
0:27.1	The moment that you eliminate someone on a team who bullies others, who's a jerk to their peers,
0:33.9	the performance of the team improves.
0:36.3	Just remember, it's better to have a hole than an asshole.
0:40.1	Find your team.
0:47.4	I'm Michael Mogul, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.
0:52.2	I've built my business through practice, not theory. Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years, earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America. Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this podcast,
1:15.2	I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from those
1:19.7	who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true
1:24.6	game changer. Today, we're revisiting one of our most popular episodes from the podcast where I sat down with
1:30.3	Kim Scott to discuss the framework for success leaders should use when addressing bias, prejudice,
1:34.8	and bullying, the fine line between healthy conflict and unjust bullying, and how to stand up to
1:40.1	injustice in a world where silence is the default.
1:43.1	Hopefully you notice as a leader bullying when it happens, but often you're not going to,
1:48.3	because often people who bully people under them are kissing up to you.
1:52.7	So I think it's important to remember that.
1:54.7	And to realize that you need to create three different kinds of consequences for bullying,
1:59.9	and part of it is becoming aware of it.
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