#435 — The Last Invention

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🗓️ 2 October 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Sam Harris introduces the first episode of The Last Invention, a new podcast series on the hype and fear about the AI revolution, reported by Gregory Warner and Andy Mills.

Gregory Warner was a foreign correspondent in Russia and Afghanistan, and the East Africa bureau chief for NPR. He created and hosted the podcast Rough Translation. He also publishes stories on This American Life and in The New York Times. Andy Mills is a reporter and editor, formerly of The New York Times, where he helped create their audio department and shows like The Daily and Rabbit Hole.

The Last Invention is a limited run series with eight total episodes. You can find it anywhere you listen to podcasts, where episodes will be released weekly. You can sign up for their mailing list on Substack at https://longviewinvestigations.substack.com/, and you can also subscribe on their website at longviewinvestigations.com.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Making Sense podcast.
0:23.6	This is Sam Harris.
0:25.6	Well, in today's episode, we are previewing a new podcast series created by Andy Mills and Matt Bowle on artificial intelligence.
0:36.1	Andy and Matt have been making podcasts and reporting for at least
0:41.3	15 years or so. And they've won a bunch of awards, the Peabody, a Pulitzer. They've worked at
0:50.3	outlets like Spotify and NPR and the New York Times. They also produce the witch trials of
0:56.6	J.K. Rowling, which I discussed on a previous episode of this podcast. And they have a new media
1:01.8	company called Longview. And this series on AI, which is titled The Last Invention is their first
1:09.4	release. And so we're previewing that here. I am interviewed in it,
1:13.3	but there are many other people in there, which are well worth listening to. Nick Bostrom,
1:19.3	Jeffrey Hinton, Joshua Benjillo, Reid Hoffman, Max Tegmark, Robin Hansen, Jaron Lanier, Tim Urban,
1:26.9	Kevin Roos, and others.
1:28.8	And it's really a great introduction to the topic.
1:34.5	I mean, this is the, it's going to be a limited run series of eight episodes.
1:38.5	And really more than anything that I've done on this topic,
1:42.5	this is the series you can share with your
1:44.4	friends and family to get them to understand just what the fuss is about, whether it's the
1:50.2	controversy on the side of being worried about this issue or on the side of being merely
1:56.9	worried that we're going to do something regulatory or otherwise to slow our progress.
2:03.7	They represent both sides of this controversy in a way that I really don't because I'm so in touch
2:11.0	with one side of it and I think those who aren't in touch with that side are fairly crazy indoctrinaire at this point.
2:21.1	So anyway, it's a great introduction to the topic. As far as the series itself, it's reported by
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