Hello, hello there, good listener. I am your host, Nick Stumbo, and you are listening to

the Pure Desire podcast, your biblically based and clinically informed resource to healing from

betrayal and breaking free from compulsive sexual behaviors. Today you're listening to episode 433,

and here joining me as my co-host for this series is the Rodney Wright. Rodney, welcome

back. Good to see you again. Hello, Nick. It's great to be with you. I love this conversation,

healthy churches, healthy pastors. Healthy in my book is the new holy,

and I'm thrilled that we're talking about health and how to help. Yeah, we had a great

conversation today. You know, I feel Rodney like when you're on, it's always a little bit of

the game where in the world is Rodney San Diego or Rodney Wright. Yes. I think today you're in Idaho, right?

Great. I'm from Lake City Church. They have a little podcast room down here, and I am here in

Cordillane, Idaho today, broadcasting from there. Awesome. And our guest today joined us from Utah.

So we were in three different places, and through the magic world of Zoom and recording, we're coming live to you today, or we're coming to you today through your headphones or your computer, however you're listening. And yeah, as Rodney is alluding to, this is part three of four in our series on healthy churches and healthy pastors. And today we talked to a pastor named Ken Kruger, who really had,

from what you'll hear, he had no designs of his own to launch a pure desire ministry, but a man in

his church came to him, said, I need help. And through all that, they found pure desire. And now

their church is engaged. It's a significant part of their ministry. And I think his story of just some of the

simple steps they took is going to be a big encouragement to our listeners today. Yeah. And Nick,

just a little bit of the backstory. We originally tried to record this last month, but it was,

Pastor Kin is from Sandy, Utah. And it was during the Charlie Kirk incident that happened that day when we were scheduled just a few hours before.

And he really talks about how, like, a tragic situation God's redeemed and kind of what's happening in that regard.

But it's very fascinating just to hear how pure desire is a part of helping them and just the context of what's happening in Utah at this moment and what they're seeing. So that's, to our listeners, that's another little sound piece you might want to listen just for some of that piece as well. Yeah, God's at work in their church and community in a number of ways. And what would you say, Rodney, you know, before we jump in, some might be seeing this like,

oh, healthy churches, healthy pastor, I'm not a pastor, I'm not a leader, is this for me,

what would you say to someone who's not a pastor? Why is this episode helpful or worth them

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