Hello and welcome to a very special crossover episode of Real Crime Profile and Best Case, Worst Case.

This is Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City

prosecutor and writer producer of criminal minds and Bluebeard on Audible. And with me today is,

Hi, everybody. It's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor. Jim, I'm so excited to be

with you in this big crossover episode. And with us, of course, from your Real Crime Profile podcast is.

Kathy Canning-Mello, retired FBI profiler, and yes, co-host of the Audible podcast, FBI Profilers,

Criminal Archives. And today we have a very special guest with us, and I'll let her introduce

herself. Hi, I'm Meg Applegate. I am the co-founder and CEO of Unsilensed,

which is a nonprofit that aims to stop institutional child abuse within the troubled teen industry.

I'm also a survivor of that same industry. That's great. Well, thank you so much, Meg, for coming on to this

crossover episode. And an episode so important, we wanted to do it on both podcasts. And I really

believe this is the first time we have ever on either of the podcast really talked about the

troubled teen industry. TTI, I think is how you refer to it. And I was very

moved by your story and the work you do. And I talked to Kathy and Francie about it. And they

both agreed that we should have you on as soon as possible. Well, I'm so excited to be here.

So thank you for having me.

No problem.

And I met you at a play.

A play that Kathy had seen in Wilmington, was it?

Yes.

So the co-writer of that play is Mark Baskill, and he is on my rowing team.

So that's how I was introduced to this play.

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