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The Talk Show With John Gruber

430: ‘Ersatz PopSocket’, With Andru Edwards

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.83.6K Ratings

🗓️ 31 August 2025

⏱️ 139 minutes

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Summary

Special guest Andru Edwards joins the show. Topics include Google’s Pixel 10 event and the Pixel 10 family of devices, AI’s effect on computational photography, foldable phones, and some speculation on Apple’s September 9 “Awe Dropping” event.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Andrew Edwards, welcome to the dog show.

0:03.1

Appreciate it. Thank you.

0:04.3

Very happy to be here.

0:05.8

I think you texted me personally last week before you tweeted about it, like on threads or wherever.

0:12.2

But you were at Google's made by a Google event and said, this is so weird.

0:16.9

Tell me about it.

0:18.1

Yeah, it was weird.

0:19.0

So basically, I mean, we've been to these press events before.

0:21.6

I've been to press events from pretty much any company you can think of.

0:24.6

And they're all, except for Apple post-pandemic, they're all pretty much the same thing, right?

0:30.6

You go in, you sit down, and there's a bunch of media there, and there's some sort of presentation about these products that are meant and

0:39.0

directed towards the media who are in the audience. That's pretty much how this works. If you go

0:43.6

to an Apple event, they're going to make a video these days and you're going to watch the video,

0:46.8

which I guess in a way, the videos almost feel equally meant for media as well as the general public.

0:58.2

If you're interested in what Apple's doing, you can watch an Apple video and kind of be entertained, even if you're not media.

1:04.6

What Google did here was almost put together a media event where they just ignored the audience or the audience was

1:14.5

expected to be a participant in what was going into the cameras. So they had these huge cameras

1:21.0

like you'd see on at the Tonight Show or SNL or something like that. And they're just looking

1:25.6

into these cameras. They're not really paying much attention to us.

1:28.8

And when they sat us down, I want to say maybe 30 minutes before they started or something.

1:35.4

They had like a guy to come up into a warm-up, like some sort of comic, to warm up the crowd and be like, hey, when you see the applause sign up there, be loud, let us know you're enjoying

1:44.5

yourself. And I'm just sitting there like, I came here to learn about a product, not fawn over

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