429: ‘Weird Turtle Fake Out’, With Matthew Panzarino

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.8 • 3.6K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 134 minutes

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Summary

Matthew Panzarino returns to the show. Topics include 007 logo creator Joe Caroff’s death at 103, Google’s weird “Made by Google” event hosted by Jimmy Fallon, the UK supposedly dropping its demand for an iCloud encryption backdoor, and Apple’s workaround for the Apple Watch blood oxygen sensor patent stalemate.

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0:00.0	Matthew, it's been a while. It has. It's been a minute. Yeah, I think we saw each other at
0:04.8	WWDC. Yeah, but what year? I don't know. What year is it now? I don't know, but I was just there.
0:16.3	Oh, yeah, the talk show, after the talk show, maybe your last appearance there, which was quite good, by the way. Yeah, we, we chatted a bit. But yeah, other than that, it's been a minute. I've been out of the Apple. Oh, that's right. That's right. I did see you at the talk show. Yeah. That's the, see, the problem is that I saw you at my show. And my show'm I'm in like a tube of concentration.
0:40.4	I've completely forgot that I saw you.
0:42.5	And after.
0:43.4	Exactly.
0:43.9	Yeah, exactly.
0:45.1	You know, while you're in the lead up, it's all the adrenaline and focus of like show.
0:49.2	And in the aftermath, it's all the endorphin release.
0:52.0	So you forget it.
0:53.3	Yeah.
0:57.4	It was good to see you. But it's been a long time since you've been on the show.
1:03.8	On the show. It has. It has. At the show. You've been at the show more recently than on the show, which is very unusual.
1:11.8	Yeah. Yeah, it's probably a rare occurrence. Well, anyway, the idea popped in my head to have you back. There's lots that we can talk about, but I, of course, blogged about Joe Karoff, the designer of the James Bond-O-7 gun logo.
1:23.7	I have not gone through every single email I've gotten over the last 10 days yet, but I believe you're the only person to point out the technical corrections from my post, which is so very much appreciated.
1:38.6	Oh, yeah, that's like my itch I get to scratch because, like, I'm not blogging on a daily basis anymore.
1:43.5	Well, I am on my personal blog, but I'm not blogging for most of the public. And so, like, I'm the dairy fireball comment section. I'm just going to text jobs. That's how I get my jollies. So somehow, despite being a, everybody knows. I mean, this is, I mean, if you're really new here to the podcast,
2:03.0	if you're not aware, I'm a James Bond fan,
2:06.0	I obsess over logos and design.
2:11.0	So the designer of the James Bond,
2:13.9	007 logo is an intersection of my interest that is very rare.
2:20.0	And the guy died one day before his 104th birthday.
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