430. AMMA — What Separates The Pros From The Rest

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Marketing, Business, Management, Entrepreneurship

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2026

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

The people slowing you down aren't always the ones you'd expect, and they're closer than you think. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down the three types of people who quietly drain your time, energy, and momentum, and why distancing yourself from them is one of the most important leadership decisions you can make. From the ones who talk in circles to the idea generators who never execute, to the "must be nice" crowd who confuse luck with sacrifice, this conversation is a tactical guide to protecting your bandwidth and building a culture of accountability. Here's what you'll learn: Why the people who say the most often have the least to offer, and how to identify when someone is avoiding accountability How to separate real initiative from empty ideation, and why ideas without execution are just hallucinations What the "must be nice" mindset reveals about envy, effort, and the victim mentality that holds people back This episode is your reminder that who you surround yourself with determines how far you go, so choose carefully. ---- 00:02:07 - The three types of people that will get in the way of your growth 00:06:02 - The Mexico vacation story and what people don't see behind success 00:07:02 - Abundance mindset vs. zero-sum thinking 00:10:05 - You can't change people, but you can align incentives with their goals 00:12:23 - Nature vs. nurture: the role of childhood trauma and intrinsic drive 00:13:40 - Why you can't teach hungry and screening for it during hiring 00:15:56 - The importance of clarity and trial roles before promotion ---- Links & Resources: The Ideal Team Player by Patrick Lencioni Nature versus nurture Chip on your shoulder mentality ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 359. AMMA — The Ultimate Guide to Retaining Top Talent 328. Sherry Stewart Deutschmann — Transform Your Business with Bold, People-First Leadership 240. Jessica Mogill — Why Hiring A-Players is Important

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0:00.0	The ones that thrive in one department in particular are those that come in and want a challenge.
0:07.5	They run towards hard as opposed to the ones that are not successful are ones that find themselves
0:12.3	in kind of like quick sand, shaky waters and they don't like that sensation. They don't like
0:15.9	being uncomfortable.
0:27.9	I'm Michael Mogul, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law firm growth company.
0:30.5	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:34.9	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years, earning a spot on the Inc.
0:37.5	500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:40.9	Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth
0:44.1	within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law firm
0:48.1	owners do the same for theirs.
0:49.8	In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry
0:53.8	and beyond to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status
0:58.2	quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer. This is Jessica, head of coaching
1:03.9	strategy at Crisp, and today we're flipping the script for another special edition episode to get
1:08.8	Michael's take on, handling employees who constantly blame external circumstances for their failures,
1:14.5	why some professionals always find ways to win while others do not,
1:18.4	and how to manage second guesses after promoting a team member who struggles to adapt.
1:23.0	Before anyone's promoted to any role,
1:24.7	are you being very, very clear of the expectations in that role?
1:31.3	So you don't want somebody to step into a new role and be like, this isn't what I expected at all. That's coming up on the Game Changing Attorney podcast.
1:48.7	All right, your favorite day of the week, podcast recording day.
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