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The Allusionist

43. The Key part II: Vestiges

The Allusionist

Helen Zaltzman

Words, Entertainment, Education, History, Etymology, Helen Zaltzman, Linguistics, Arts

4.73.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 September 2016

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

If you don’t have a Rosetta Stone to hand, deciphering extinct languages can be a real puzzle, even though they didn’t intend to be. They didn’t intend to become extinct, either, but such is the life (and death) of languages.

NB: there is a CATEGORY B swear word towards the end of this episode. But it IS there for educational purposes only.

ALSO NB: After the episode was released, I was alerted that listener Ryan’s request was about a FAKE Mike Pence statement. I CAN NEVER TRUST YOU AGAIN, RYAN! The etymological content still stands.

There’s more about this episode at http://theallusionist.org/vestiges. It is a companion to episode 42: The Key part I: Rosetta, which is at http://theallusionist.org/rosetta.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the allusionist in which I Helen Zoltzman smir a thin layer of language over the

0:09.3

lens so everything looks a little bit nicer. Just to warn you there's a category B-swear

0:15.0

word towards the end of the show but it's educational if that helps.

0:20.2

On with the show.

0:24.2

In the last episode the Rosetta Stone provided the key to Egyptian hieroglyphics by presenting

0:36.1

them in parallel with Greek which enabled them to be deciphered. But languages aren't

0:41.1

designed to be deciphered. They were never meant to be incomprehensible in the first place.

0:46.0

Undecided it's a temporary state in my opinion. I look at it optimistically with the general

0:51.7

guiding rule that anything that anybody over any period of time wrote should be decipherable

0:57.1

by somebody else. Irving Finkl is a curator in the Middle East Department of the British

1:02.1

Museum. The fact is that none of the words writing systems apart from codes are meant to

1:07.8

be obscure. And this is crucial. Normal writing systems that we can't read just because we

1:13.2

haven't deciphered them. It doesn't mean that they are indecisiveable. It means that we

1:16.7

haven't done it. And the fact that we haven't done it depends on various things. Sometimes

1:22.7

it's a matter of extreme rarity. So there's hardly anything to go. And sometimes it's a matter

1:28.6

of a profusion of inscriptions which are all too short to be diagnostic.

1:34.0

All that remains of some languages is the ancient equivalent of a few no-parking signs. Or

1:39.0

sometimes lists of names. But trying to deduce a language from those would be like trying

1:43.8

to figure out the whole of English from a phone book. There's also the issue of the evidence

1:48.8

being mostly whatever was written on durable materials which skews the known vocabulary

1:54.6

of that language towards the official and formal paper or leaves or skins are less likely

2:00.2

to have survived time and climates than stone or clay or ivory or tombs. But those aren't

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