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I suspect that most of us spend very little time thinking about the emotional lives of judges.

Even when we see them on TV, there's these kind of remote figures sitting up on this

elevated platform where robes maybe wear a wear when judges judis in a bad mood.

But they of course do have emotional lives and they're making incredibly important decisions.

And I heard recently that there's a little bit of a movement in the judiciary to adopt

mindfulness. And one of the guys who's kind of at the forefront of that is Jeremy Fogel

who's a senior United States district judge in the Northern District of California who's

currently serving as the director of the Federal Judicial Center in Washington, D.C., which

is an education wing of the judiciary. They basically do education for judges.

And he's a meditator and he's trying to get other judges to do it.

And so I give you Jeremy Fogel.

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