The best indication of what somebody desires and wants to do is what they fantasize about.

And that's not legal in any way, shape or form. Why would we encourage it?

Right. And I mean, just jumping on that. know what hello and welcome to best case worst case

this is jim clementy retired fbiar profiler former new york city prosecutor writer producer of

criminal minds and blue beard on audible and francy unfortunately couldn't be with us today but

we do have a very special guest

today, and that is...

Hi, I'm Ben Holman.

I'm a family advocate at a Children's Advocacy Center in Central Texas.

I also work with the Brave Movement and I'm a member of the Global Survivors Council.

Well, it's so good to have you, Ben.

Thank you for coming on.

I know that this is a very important topic to you.

It's also an extremely important topic to me and Francie and to our listeners.

As you may know, you may not know, that Francie was actually a prosecutor in Georgia and then became an assistant United States attorney in Georgia.

And she had a very incredible career.

And much of her career was dedicated to prosecuting offenders of child sexual victimization.

She actually became the first DOJ liaison to Congress for the prevention of sexual victimization

of children.

So Francie really wishes she could have been here today, but I'm glad that we have you on,

and we want to talk to you today about the Brave Movement.

What's it all about?

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