It's time for episode 427 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, December 1st, 2021.

Clockwise, 4 people, holiday song is Carol of the Bells.

I'm your co-host, Dan Morn, and I'm joined across the internet by my good friend, my pal, my dungeon buddy.

It's Micah Sargent. How you doing today,

Micah? I'm doing quite well, Dan, and now that song is just playing in my head all through the...

Yeah, that's how it's going to be. So I appreciate that. Yep, living Redfrey there.

Indeed. This is, of course, the show where we ask on two fantastic guests to talk about some tech topics.

And to my left this week, it is one of my former colleagues from Macworld, a Washington Post Technology reporter.

It's Heather Kelly.

Welcome back, Heather.

Howdy.

Howdy.

And to my left, freelance writer, co-host of The Rebound, and Maker of Many T's, not Many T's, but Many T's, it's John Moltz.

Welcome back, John.

Thanks. That's great to be here.

And while I have you, you said Carol of the Bells, look up on, I think some of these, I'm sure that some of the people in this podcast are Star Wars fans.

There's a Carol of the Bell's Mandalorian mashup on, you know, Spotify or whatever.

And it's super fun for the holidays.

Well, I'm leaving this show and going to do that immediately.

Goodbye.

I guess we should talk about some tech topics.

Let me kick things off this week.

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