It's time for episode 428 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, December 8th, 2021.

Clockwise, Four People, whose favorite reindeer is Dasher.

I am one of your hosts, Micah Sargent, and I am joined across the internet by my good pal,

my dungeon buddy, and the calendar watcher.

It's Dan the man more, and how are you doing, Dan?

I'm doing great, Micah.

I always keep watching the calendar, as this show reminds me to all the time.

Although I will say, I think I'm more of a Blitzin guy.

I don't know.

You know, I thought about Blitzen.

Yeah. I thought about Blitzen. I thought, I think the clockwise podcast is a dasher. I certainly am a

Rudolph personally. Yeah. But anyway, we've got two awesome guests joining us today. One of those guests, the person who

happens to be sitting to my virtual left, is the world's favorite business unicorn, a prolific

podcaster who you may have heard of from friends in your ears or conduit or a number

of podcasts over on the incomparable. It is Kathy Campbell. Welcome back to the show, Kathy.

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here, as always. And my favorite reindeer is dancer.

Excellent choice. Excellent choice. To my left this week it is a podcaster over at the mac observers daily observations podcast

and i want my mcut tv over on the incomparable it's noted comment officiato kelly gamont i'm just guessing

team vixen i thought we were friends, Dan. Good choice. All right, let's get into the show.

I was just curious thinking about augmented reality. I was looking at a HoloLens presentation

the other day. I was hoping you could describe your last experience with augmented

reality. Kathy, let's start with you. So I definitely don't need a description of what specifically

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