Hello everybody. Today I talk to Mr. Andrew Clavin who's a compatriot of mine at the

Daily Wire, but also much more than that, the author of some 30 books. He started publishing when he was 25.

He's a thriller writer, a writer of crime fiction, very much influenced by Dostieowski, Crime and Punishment, influenced by Raymond Chandler, who's probably the greatest noir novelist of all time,

also the instigator of a number of great movies like The Big Sleep.

We talked a lot about the

noir genre and about the the motif of the of the flawed masculine hero which I

suppose is every man that's ever lived, although they vary substantially

on the hero front and less substantially on the flawed front.

Anyways, we had a chance to delve into all of that in some depth, into the reality of murder and mayhem,

into the difficult balance between the monstrousness that character is a good man and

his necessary guidance by consciousness, by conscience, by product, by the necessity

for productivity and generosity.

The complex decision-making that a woman has to undergo to evaluate a man who has to be a monster, let's say,

to even be good but also a tameable monster so that he's not too terrible in his monstrosity. We've talked a fair bit about religious issues,

delving into Mr. Clavin's journey to a Christian faith that paralleled his investigation into the literary domain, so all that

and more in the upcoming conversation.

So Mr. Clavin, thank you very much for agreeing to sit down and talk to me today.

This will really be the longest extended period of time.

I think that we've been able to talk to each other directly, eh?

Well, you've come on my show a couple of times and we've discussed things, but usually it's pretty brief.

Yeah, yeah, well, good, this will give us a chance to get into things more deeply.

I thought we would concentrate primarily, I think, today on writing,

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