Welcome to the Burling Instincts Podcast.

I'm Dr. Stewart Fishbein, community-based practicing obstetrician and long-time advocate for birth choices.

And I'm Bliss Young, a licensed midwife.

Join us in our conversational style podcast where we talk about everything birth.

Sometimes we laugh, sometimes we cry, but we're happy that you're here, so here we go. Good morning. Good afternoon, good evening, and good middle of night, everybody.

It's time for another birthing instincts podcast, and I'm here with my...

Proto. Yes, with Proto bagging.

If you're on Patreon, you can see there's a some kind of visual thing where Stu looks much bigger than I do.

It is funny.

I look like Andolf.

You look like Frodo.

We're having a good time.

Yeah, despite the fact that I'm having a hard time.

Yeah.

Yeah, I hurt my knee, my good knee, my holy good part of my body left. And it's busted. Oh, my God. I have what's called a baker's cysts. People will know what that is. I think if you don't, you can look it up. It's basically... It's when you're ignoring that you already have an injury and it gets worse that's

right that's right and you and you ignore advice from your dearest friend uh what to do and then you go

to the doctor and they tell you to do exactly what your friend told you to do right some people need

to do it that we're stubborn yeah we are we I am stubborn that's just the way it goes. So we are here in Canab, Utah. We've been here now a week almost. It's been great having you here. Thank you. She's very easy to hang around with. Our days are very relaxed.

They are. That's true. We're not getting as much done as we thought, but that's partly my fault because I've been in pain.

Well, that's not your fault.

It's just how life is going right now. So we're flowing with it. We are. We know how to do that. And today we're going to talk about a topic that I had to do a lot of research on because... Cool. Yeah. So what is the topic today? someone had asked us about what are permanent options for family planning in terms of cessation.

You don't want to say birth control because then people start to think about hormonal birth control.

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