So hello everybody, welcome to episode podcast 42 of the Alexi-Sail podcast. We're flying through them.

Yeah, we're doing one a week at the moment because of the situation in Palestine, in

Gaza. And this week we talked to an old friend of the show, Adam Brunberg. Adam is

South African Jew and a photographer, visual artists, those in Germany, and has always used his experience of his,

I suppose, powered in a way by his family's experiences during the Holocaust.

Yeah.

As he has empowered him or forced him in a sense to speak out for Palestine at the moment.

And his experiences in apartheid South Africa as well.

I think, you know, in the Netflix series, Stranger Things,

there's a kind of alternative reality called the Upside Down,

which is below the town where they all live.

And I think living in Germany at the moment must be like living in the upside down,

where those who speak for the oppressed, for people who are being made,

have the entire ferocity of the state brought down on them.

I find it of all the many hypocrisies

and lies and cruelties of the western world's behavior towards the palisiniscence i find the

situation in germany just i mean doesn't nobody mean, is there a German word for irony?

I don't know what it is, but, you know, I really think they should apply it. Anyway,

an old friend of the show in Gaza.

And now to look at the European dimension, I suppose, we have somebody who were

interviewed before from Germany.

We have Adam Brunberg.

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