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Hello and welcome to Dear Hank and John.

Or is I prefer to think of it, Dear John and Hank.

It's a podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give you to your advice,

and bring him all the week's news from both Mars and AFC Wimbled and John.

I fell in love with a banker. Oh. But when she had low interest, I was so interested in her. But then when she had high interest, I just... You lost your interest? I lost my interest. It's interesting, because I find with bankers that when they have high interest is when I am more interested. Why? Oh, because I was a deposit. I was thinking about alone. Yeah. Oh, I was thinking about giving money to the bank. There's the money bags over here. Hey, listen, we're in the same place at the same time. If we sound a little different, that's because we're recording on an iPhone, unless you're on Patreon, in which case, we're recording on a Hank's blogging camera. We're actually going to use whichever audio sounds better, and I have no idea, which it will be. Great, but we're in the same place at the same time. A rare treat, it has to be said. Hank has been visiting me in Indianapolis. It's been lovely. It's been lovely. I would love to just come here for a month and make podcasts. Well, you know, we live in a forest. It's everything is great. I don't understand why you don't come here for a month and make podcasts. Well, you know, we live in a forest. Everything is great. I don't understand why you don't come here for a month and make podcasts. In the summertime, you need a swimming pool or something. It's so hot. It's a little hot here, but other than that, it's great. It's a little humid. I'd just be in the river, but it's dirty. The river is a little dirty. We recently had a canoe cap size,

however, and so I experienced the river up close and personally. It's not that bad. I didn't get you

already or anything yet. I mean, just don't give it up your nose. Yep. All right. Should we answer

questions from our listeners, or should we continue to banter? I don't know. How does it work? Okay. This question comes from Elizabeth. Who writes, I'm a PhD student working on my master's thesis, and during my master's thesis proposal, I was accused of using AI to write my thesis document by someone on my committee. I did not use AI to write any part of my thesis document, and I stressed that to my mentor. He told me that he did not believe that I used AI and that I wasn't in any trouble because it couldn't be proven. But what do I do if they accuse me again during my defense? Oh, my God, Elizabeth, he must be so nervous right now. Hopefully we've gotten to you in time because we're going to be able to solve this problem. We can solve the AI problem right now, right here, Hank. great because I was feeling very much like, what are we going to do?

I have all my version histories, and I use toggle to track how long I work. But God, I mean, the fact that you have to do that to prove that you're not using AI in the year of our word 2025. I use toggle. I don't even know what that is. It sounds stressful, though. I love the word, though.

How do I prove that I didn't use... At least they gave it a nice little word, toggle. How do I prove that I didn't use AI when AI detectors are notoriously bad, not the Queen Elizabeth? AI detectors are so bad. Are they? I have never used one. At the beginning, they were okay. Right, but now... Now it's so... It's like you can do a bunch of stuff to make the AI create stuff that doesn't get detected by AI detectors.

Sure.

And then, like, what is it picking out when it is detecting that it's made by AI?

That it's like a good bunch of logical words in a row?

There are some things when you're just like getting stock right out of the model

that it can sound really like the same. Yeah. But honestly, I think that like human, human detection

is better at this point than AI detection, but it's all a game and it's all faulty and it's

like at this point, I don't think that AI detection is fit for purpose. I don't think that it works. What do we do, Hank? I don't know. You said you had a solution. Oh, yeah. No, my solution, Elizabeth, is to not stress out about this because your mentor is right. Yeah. If your mentor believes you that you didn't use AI, if you've logged your work time. This is so great. This is such, this is like

an opposite Hank and John moment where you stayed in the problem. Yeah. I zoomed way out. Usually I'm the one who zooms way out. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know what we're going to do about anything. It's all too big. You're like, let's focus on our problem. The AI thing is very scary, very powerful, and I worry that the people who have the most power around it are not the people we would want to have the most power around it. It's just whoever showed up that day. What? Like, I don't, like, that's how I feel. Oh, no, I know. It's very smart people are working on AI. But like...

But the people who ended up in charge? The people with the most power... Yeah. Like, it worries me that Elon Musk, for instance, has a lot of power in the world of AI. Yeah. I think that's a legitimate concern. Yeah. I'm concerned about that, but I'm not concerned about Elizabeth. So like we're not going to solve the AI problem.

We're going to solve Elizabeth's problem.

Right. about that, but I'm not concerned about Elizabeth. So like, we're not going to solve the

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