This is Jocko Podcast Number 415 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

It was kind of a classic Southern California day and the waves were probably like four to six feet, not overwhelming, but just a good solid size ground swell and it was at our spot. Glassy, sunny out in the afternoon, no wind. And for whatever reason,

which I don't know, can't understand, can't comprehend't comprehend it wasn't crowded there was no

one out so just Seth and I stoner and we're out there surfing and we're running

racetracks we call it surfing which means we're running racetracks. We call it surfing, which means we're just

catching wave after wave after wave.

And I'm out there thinking pretty much

doesn't get any better than this.

And a paddle back out from a wave and Seth sitting there and out of

the blue out of nowhere he says how am I ever going to find happiness?

Which is a weird thing to say, like we're out there certain, you know, the 38 seconds before this,

I was hooting and hollering going down the line on an awesome wave and now he's

asking me how am I ever going to find happiness and look he was going through some

stuff at the time but it still kind of caught me off guard because we're surfing and like I said hooten and

holering and then he's asking me this kind of deep philosophical

question and I know so I said what and he says happiness how am I ever going to find happiness and

this is coming from a guy who was just a really phenomenal human being, smart, positive, honest, loyal, and fun too. Like, we were always having fun. We're always laughing, always smiling.

Whether we were surfing or whether we were playing guitar or whether we were

working or whether we were doing Jiu-Jitsu or whether we were overseas in combat it was

always smiles and it was always good times and so now he's out here asking me

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