Peter Bogosian, welcome back to Real Talk with Zubi. How you doing, man?

I'm fantastic. It's a pleasure to be here with you again.

Always a pleasure. It's been a while since our last conversation and the world has been

through a lot since then and you've been traveling a lot. You have been having, I don't

know how many hundreds or probably thousands of conversations around the world. So just give us a recap

on what you've been up to. Well, I've been traveling nonstop since 2021. And we've been, I have

my compadre over here at Reed and we go and we have conversations with people about controversial issues

and contentious themes and or sometimes not just esoteric ideas and philosophy

or maybe we talk about movies we've seen but we have conversations with people and then we do

spectrum street epistemology where we facilitate conversations across divides and help people

clean up the way they think about issues and so yeah we've, we've been to, we've been all over the world.

So it's been a, it's been a remarkable experience.

And what are some of the key takeaways you've learned?

What are some of the key takeaways I've learned?

I've learned that most people have no idea why they believe, what they believe,

even if they believe something

in a very passionate or fervent way. I've learned that most people hold beliefs for moral

reasons as opposed to epistemological reasons or the justification is something moral or ethical as opposed to facts or evidence or data.

I've learned that it's pretty easy to give people basic tools to how to have better

conversations.

It's not particularly a secret.

And I've learned I'm not particularly good at it with, it's a different skill set when you talk to young kids, people who are, you know, say eight or nine.

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