Marshall here. Welcome back to the re-element.

Today's guest is the author of Vincent Evans. He has a new book out. It's called If We Burn.

It's actually about one of my favorite topics. A topic I want to explore more on the re-element

basically. What does and does it work when it comes to the objective and task of achieving

systemic change? Vincent's work looks at why the mass protests in the 2010s. Error from Tunisia to

Egypt, to Brazil, Ukraine, etc. Initially appeared to succeed but then led to failure.

Looking at these lessons and how we could apply them to our own time is obviously incredibly

important. Hope you all enjoy this conversation and definitely let me know if there are other ways

I can explore this topic in an interesting manner. Hope you all enjoy this conversation and a

huge thank you to the foundation for American Innovation for supporting the work of this podcast.

Vincent Evans, welcome to the re-element. Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

Yeah, great to chat with you. So let's just start with a meta question that either is deeply

revealing at intellectual level or just reflects the publishing calendar. There are a bunch of books

that are coming out in the genre that you're focused on. So you obviously had

for your debor with how elites ate the social justice movement, Yasha Munkad, the identity trap

had him on the show last week. And of course your book is If We Burn. And these are really

focused on successes, failures, challenges of social justice and protest movements over the past

decade or so. So why in late stage 2023? Are we seeing a bunch of books in this category?

Oh, yeah, I can't speak to anyone else. I wrote one, but what I can say is that it is hard to

avoid the conclusion. But if you look back on what happened since 2010, around the world,

there was great hope invested in a few things, a confluence of developments. First,

the arrival of social media, the second, the arrival, the eruption of mass protest explosions

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