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The Realignment

410 | Thomas P.M. Barnett: How Globalization, North-South Migration, Climate Change, and Demographic Collapse Will Define America's New Map

The Realignment

The Realignment

Saager Enjeti, Technology, Policy, News, Marshall Kosloff, International Relations, Politics, News Commentary, Public Policy, U.s. Politics, National Security, Economics

4.82.5K Ratings

🗓️ 28 September 2023

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Thomas P.M. Barnett, author of America's New Map: Restoring Our Global Leadership in an Era of Climate Change and Demographic Collapse and the Pentagon's New Map trilogy, joins The Realignment. Thomas and Marshall discuss why the world is shifting from a 20th century East-West orientation to a North-South orientation in the 21st century, the impact of demographic collapse across the industrialized world, how America can reconcile itself with the fact that it no longer controls globalization's path, and why the superpower competition to deliver growth and security to the rising global middle class will define the rest of the century.

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0:00.0

Marshall here. Welcome back to The Realignment. Apologies for the lack of introverted

0:05.4

position and any other editing problems with this episode. Our producer, Phil Hagseth,

0:10.5

just had his third child, so he is obviously taking some well-deserved time off a huge

0:16.8

congrats to Phil and his wife, but he will be sorely missed here. Today's guest though is

0:23.1

Thomas P. M. Barnett, who has a new book out. America's new map, restoring our global leadership

0:28.9

in an era of climate change and demographic collapse. If you're a fan of last year's episode

0:34.0

of Peter Zahan on his then new book, the end of the world is just the beginning. This will be

0:38.8

right up your alley. In this episode we cover all of the Realignment's favorite topics,

0:43.6

the ways that today's political moment rhymes with the Guilded Age and the 1920s,

0:49.3

the costs and benefits of globalization, mass migration to the Northern Hemisphere,

0:54.4

and a related reconcephalization of North South as being just as important as East West,

1:01.4

the coming demographic collapse and how we'll affect the US, China, and Europe,

1:07.7

and of course a bit of discourse on climate change and the related impact of all of the above

1:14.2

to the US defense position across the world. Thomas really emerged as one of the country's

1:20.3

leading geopolitical analysts after 11 with his Pentagon's new map trilogy, so it was a great

1:27.0

opportunity to get an update on him on his perspective. Hope you all enjoy. It's conversation.

1:36.1

Thomas P. M. Barnett, welcome to the Realignment.

1:40.1

Thanks for having me, Marshall. Yeah, it's great to chat with you as I pointed out before we

1:44.8

started recording. I've been reading your work since the 2000s high school era, so it's really

1:50.4

exciting to chat with you with the release of this new book. You really came to prominence with

1:55.3

the publication of an article in Esquire about the Pentagon's new map in the weekend on 11. You

2:01.6

then turned that into a three-part trilogy. You just kind of update everyone to introduce yourself.

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