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41: Social Security Reform and Means Testing Guest: Veronique de Rugy Veronique de Rugy discusses the looming Social Security funding deadline around 2033, after which benefits face an automatic cut exceeding twenty percent if Congress fails to act decisively

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🗓️ 1 November 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Social Security Reform and Means Testing Guest: Veronique de Rugy Veronique de Rugy discusses the looming Social Security funding deadline around 2033, after which benefits face an automatic cut exceeding twenty percent if Congress fails to act decisively. She warns that perpetually borrowing to cover the shortfall represents the worst policy option, potentially leading to massive debt accumulation and inflation. De Rugy proposes means testing benefits as the fairest reform approach, arguing that Social Security currently transfers money from the relatively young and poor to the relatively old and wealthy, justifying progressive benefit reductions without raising taxes or disrupting the system for those most dependent on it.




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0:00.0

This is CBS, I on the World. I'm John Batchel. It is campaign season 2028, the presidential

0:11.8

candidate spending time between Iowa and New Hampshire, and the policy that they are projecting

0:18.2

for their potential administrations beginning January of

0:22.3

29. The question is asked repeatedly, what are you going to do about Social Security? What are

0:29.0

you going to do about the fact that we're running out of money? What are you going to do about the

0:33.2

drop-dead date will come in your term of office somewhere in 2033 or sooner. What are you going to do?

0:41.8

I welcome Veronique to Regia de Mercatus Center, writing most recently at Creators Indigate,

0:46.8

because that answer is not yet available. There are things that will happen almost automatically

0:53.3

about Social Security.

0:55.3

That's what we're spending time with here, a major entitlement from the 1930s.

1:01.5

Veronique, a very good evening to you.

1:02.9

What will happen automatically when the Social Security deadline drops?

1:08.8

What evening, John?

1:10.0

Social security benefits, if Congress has done nothing, will be cut by

1:14.5

over 20 percent across the board. And so that's what's going to happen if Congress doesn't

1:20.9

do anything, because the trust fund will dry out. And as such, the program will revert to a pay-as-you-go system, which means that we're only going to be

1:30.6

able to pay the benefits that are covered by payroll tax collected.

1:36.5

And now there are other alternatives because that's not a legitimate answer from a presidential

1:41.6

candidate. It will happen automatically to lose 20%. I don't

1:45.1

see that as a winner. What are the possibilities? What can a president and a Congress do in the

1:50.4

event that the trust fund is empty? It's really the role of Congress. And the worst thing that a president

1:57.7

could push Congress to do would be to keep the benefits as they are and decide to

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