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My guest today is Eric Weinstein, who is a mathematician and physicist and economist,

and all around interesting guy, who is currently the managing director of Teal Capital.

Now as most of you know, who've listened to previous podcasts, my interviews are really more

conversations than interviews. I would guess I usually take up about, I don't know, 40% of the space.

But if this exchange seems a little more self-referential than normal, I would just like to give you a

little context as to why, which I briefly do in the beginning of my conversation with Eric.

Eric actually reached out to me, suggesting that he could help me think a little more clearly

about how to engage the kinds of controversial issues I tend to deal with. So while we talk about

many different things, the subtext is that he's performing a bit of an intervention on me.

So I hope that explains why I didn't ask him more questions about all the fascinating stuff he's

into. That'll have to wait until next time. In any case, Eric is a very interesting guy,

as you will easily discern. And he was also very generous in his efforts to talk some sense into

me. So without any more preamble, I give you Eric Weinstein.

So I'm here with Eric Weinstein. Eric, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Well, thanks for having me over. So I was trying to remember how we got connected and

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