So the bullet was ejected. Now why was that done? Well he used the gun to control two people and that bullet is probably the most damning evidence that they have right now against him.

Libby was recording and captured their murderer on the phone.

Apparently the offender didn't know it.

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Hello and welcome to Best Case Worst Case.

This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI Profiler, former New York State prosecutor writer,

producer of Criminal Minds, Bluebeard, and also co-host of FBI profilers on Audible.

And with me today is the lovely...

Hi, thank you Jim.

Hi everybody, it's Fransi Hakes for state and federal prosecutor and Jim, we have a case in the news to discuss today and the interesting thing about this, well there's many interesting things about the case, but one of them is that one of the victim's sister was on this podcast a couple of years ago.

She came in and interviewed with us and we're really grateful to her for talking about this case and doing what I think it's so important to do and what prosecutors the world over try to do in these sort of cases and that is humanize the victims because they're the ones in

murder cases when they're not there in court and of course we're talking today about the Delphi

murder case as it's become known the murders of Abbey and Libby. There's young...

Abby Williams and Libby German. Yeah, that's right. And these young girls... Yeah, I think they were 12

and 13 when they were brutally murdered in their yeah in their very

...