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Tech Policy Podcast

405: No, Internet Age Verification Has Not Been “Solved”

Tech Policy Podcast

TechFreedom

Technology

4.845 Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Eric Goldman (Santa Clara Law) discusses his new paper, “The ‘Segregate-and-Suppress’ Approach to Regulating Child Safety Online.” Topics include: - The many kinds of online age-verification law - Age verification as an information problem - Fancy tech as deus ex machina - Data collection today; state surveillance tomorrow - What about devices and app stores? - The internet and Maslow’s hierarchy of needs - Child safety: it takes a village - The parental consent nightmare Links: The “Segregate-and-Suppress” Approach to Regulating Child Safety Online (https://tinyurl.com/3dex3c3z) Age-Verification Laws Are a Verified Mistake (https://tinyurl.com/3j4b2kbn) Tech Policy Podcast 354: Online Age Verification (Sucks) (https://tinyurl.com/3kaemmw7)

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0:00.0

So,

0:01.0

I'm going to be.

0:03.0

So, Somewhere along the line, apparently while I was not paying attention, the argument over

0:30.7

online age verification ended, or so I'm told.

0:35.8

Appearing on the Ezra Klein show the other day, Jonathan Haight said,

0:40.4

quote, we're going to get age verification.

0:43.8

Australia is pushing it.

0:45.5

It's going to work.

0:47.1

It doesn't have to be perfect at first, but within a few years, it will be very good.

0:53.1

John Asconis was recently on the realignment hosted by friend of the show,

0:57.7

Marshall Kosloff, where he said, quote, the battles we're having over the smartphone are already

1:03.6

functionally over. It's going to take five years to play out, but we're going to get age

1:09.1

verification for pornography. We're going to get

1:11.8

parents getting smart on social media. Scones went on to say that he is, quote, extremely annoyed

1:17.8

by the, quote, handful of mercenary paid up libertarians, along with a handful of ideologues,

1:24.6

who assert that we just don't have the technology to do age verification

1:29.3

online. We have a plethora of age verification techniques, he declared. It's a very different

1:36.4

situation than it was 20 years ago. Welcome back to the Tech Policy podcast, the flagship podcast of paid-up libertarians and a handful of ideologues.

1:49.6

I'm Corbin Barthold.

1:51.6

I'm pleased and honored to be joined once again by the great Eric Goldman.

1:57.9

Eric is the Associate Dean of Research, Professor of Law, and co-director of the

2:02.4

High Tech Law Institute at the Santa Clara University School of Law. Like me, it is safe to say,

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