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Hey friends, how we doing? Happy Monday.

I just had a fantastic conversation with Josh Porter.

He's the author of How to Die, Chaos, Mortality,

and the Scandal of Christian Discipleship. Josh used to be in a band called Showbread.

Now, if you know the band Showbread, consider us besties, okay? I will say this.

Josh is going to have a more slightly non-affirming position when it comes to queer inclusion.

So I set it up front because I don't want my audience, especially my queer audience, to feel like they've been bamboozled in this episode.

I don't have a lot of people on who are not affirming these days, but I really actually, in a way, appreciate Josh's perspective for what it is.

And so I wanted to have a

conversation about his book, about Christian discipleship. He fully rejects Christian nationalism.

He rejects the evangelical fundamentalism that shaped both him and myself, I'm sure many of you.

And I think he enjoys breaking boundaries that maybe we just assume certain people are kind of put in when it comes

to different topics. So I hope you enjoy this conversation and I would love to feedback on it.

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