404. MAGA Isn't Afraid of Trans People. It's Disgusted By Them

The New Evangelicals Podcast

Tim Whitaker

News, Religion & Spirituality, Politics, Christianity

4.7 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Billie and Paul Hoard about their new book Eucontamination. The discussion dives into the theory of disgust and the innovative concept of 'good contamination,' describing how Jesus is seen as a transformative contaminant for good. They explore how disgust influences societal behaviors, particularly within evangelical circles, and how Jesus' embrace of those considered 'impure' subverts traditional notions of purity. Billie and Paul's Book | ⁠Eucontamination⁠ Chapters 08:13 Understanding Disgust from a Psychological Perspective 14:52 Sociological and Political Implications of Disgust 18:29 Jesus as the Good Contaminant 34:23 The Paradox of Holiness and Worldly Contamination 35:21 The Role of the Church in Spreading Goodness 35:41 Personal Reflections on Faith and Community 43:32 The Challenge of Embracing New Experiences 57:56 Final Thoughts and Theological Insights____________________________________________________ TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.thenewevangelicals.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:40.8	Hey, everyone, this is Melinda Hale, the executive director of the new evangelicals.
0:44.9	We are expanding our work here at T&E in some really powerful new ways. And we know that there are so
0:49.9	many incredible voices out there ready to make an impact. Now more than ever, we need creators who are
0:55.0	committed to sharing meaningful content and using their platforms as a force for good. That's why we're
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1:13.7	Applications are open until December 15th, and our selected creators will be announced on December 22nd.
1:19.1	So head to the new evangelicals.com slash back to the show. Happy Monday to all of you. This is such a fantastic conversation with my friends, Billy Hoard and Paul Hoard. They wrote a book called You Contamination. This is a fantastic book.
1:45.7	I recommend it so much. They are really into the theory of disgust and the psychology of
1:51.8	disgust and how they see Jesus as something or someone that is a contaminant for good.
1:57.7	I would just leave it there. Hopefully your interest is peaked. Please, please listen to this
2:02.9	episode. It is fantastic. It will change the way you see the world. I've known Billy now for a few
2:08.0	years and her brother, Paul. And it's been such a privilege to get to know them and also learn from
2:14.5	them. I got to endorse this book. They're just doing fantastic work. So I hope that you
2:19.5	enjoy it. And as always, friends, thank you so much for being here. Let me know your feedback.
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