Marshall here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

We've got a great bonus episode for you all today.

My guest is Kevin Valier, author of the recent released

all the kingdoms of the world on radical religious alternatives to liberalism.

A really interesting theme of the intellectual movements that have defined the post.

2016 Realignment Era has been the desire to

abandon replace or even overthrow the status quo of our liberal society.

By liberal, of course, I'm not referring to the liberalism of the democratic party of the left,

but rather liberalism with a lowercase L, the political philosophy that developed after the

Enlightenment. Kevin's work and the new book is focused on those seeking to replace liberalism

with a religiously based alternative. He does a particularly great job of articulating

in good faith, a view, and understanding of the world that a huge portion of the audience

will likely be highly skeptical of. That said, I think it's really important to dive into these

themes because whether you agree or disagree, they get at underlying debates about how our society

continues to and struggles to function. Huge thank you to the foundation for American innovation.

This was the work of this podcast. Hope you all enjoy this conversation.

Kevin Valier, welcome to the Realignment.

Thanks so much for having me on.

Yeah, it's really great to chat with you. I have an unhelpful habit as a podcaster,

slash thinker, of not really diving into topics that appear to not, when we just say be quite

as relevant, but I think the conversation or liberalism and religious alternatives to it is one

that it's just going to keep coming up and coming up and coming up, and I think this is the

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