I'm Tim here today with Lance. Lance, how are you today?

I am doing fantastic today, Tim. Thank you for asking. I know everyone listening will be doing just as fantastic once they hear this really thought-provoking conversation that we have with a couple of new friends who've done some really great work on a show and on the story of a young woman who is currently serving time in prison. But Tim, I feel like I'm in prison not knowing how you are. How are you?

Thanks a lot for asking. I'm doing great. And I'm in prison not knowing how you are. How are you? Thanks a lot for asking.

I'm doing great. And I'm also very excited to introduce this conversation with Liz Flock and

Kristen Lepore. They have worked on the podcast Blind Plea, which it really is a hit podcast. And it

is about Devin Gray, an Alabama woman, who is in prison for killing her boyfriend,

John Henry Vance.

And by all accounts, he was very abusive to her, and the story unfolds in the show Blind Plea.

And like you said, it is a great show.

And you learn a lot in this conversation.

And if you're not sure what exactly a blind plea is, just starting there is a good point before entering into this

interview. And if you haven't listened to the show yet, find out what that is and it will probably

take you a little bit by surprise. And what shouldn't take you by surprise is CrawlSpace Premium.

And you can now subscribe on Apple Podcasts. And if you're not an Apple user, you can subscribe at crawlspace.supportingcast.fm. What you get is ad-free episodes, early releases,

and our weekly bonus show, and it's all bundled with missing and our new podcast, Dark Valley.

And speaking of that new podcast, Dark Valley, it does air every Friday unless you are a subscriber and you will get

the entire first half and now you will get the entire second half except for the last episode,

which we are going to give you early, but it's going to be probably like a week and a half to

two weeks before the public. So it's not going to come in that second batch.

It's going to come just a little bit after because I personally feel like episode 11 needs to be

processed for a little bit, but there are multiple reasons why. All right. Let us know what you

think on social media. Follow us at crawlspace podcast or crawlspace pod. We're going to take a

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