Welcome back, everybody.

Today on Your Anxiety Talk, we have the amazing Patrick McGrath is coming back on the show.

So welcome, Patrick.

You are, I'm going to say you are, but just in case you don't know who Patrick McGrath is

a chief clinical officer at NOCD.

And today we're talking about the ways OCD tries to keep you stuck.

So thank you for being here, Patrick.

Well, thank you, Kimberly.

So good to be here and excited to chat with you once again.

I think the first time we did this was an IOCDF conference

sitting in a hotel room with a beautiful view as we chatted about don't try hard or try different.

Yes. That was a really fun episode. If people haven't listened, you should go back because I think

that's sort of, this is like a follow-up to that if anything.

Yeah.

All right.

So let's talk about the way OCD tries to keep you stuck.

Do you want to kind of lead the way?

Sure.

You know, things that I've been talking about recently as I've built on don't try hard or try different are these these notions that

OCD doesn't care about you it really cares about itself and there are things that it is going to do

to try to make sure that it sticks around because it does not want to go away.

So in order to stick around, it's got to keep you stuck in what it wants you to do

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