Howdy everyone, welcome back to the show.

My guest today is Paul Bloom.

He's a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, professor emeritus of psychology

at Yale University, and an author.

People do strange things to feel pleasure, eating spicy food, having rough sex, watching

scary movies.

On top of that, they make huge sacrifices to find meaning, like having children or starting

a business or training for a marathon.

This suggests that perhaps there is more to living a good life than simple hedonistic

pleasure.

Expect to learn the four ways that we enjoy suffering, how the sexual fantasies of

men and women differ, the true red pill around whether more money will make you happier,

what you can learn about mindfulness from a dominatrix, why people love to watch sad

movies, how a life without discomfort will become hell, and much more.

This is a conversation that I'm having so much at the moment, the fact that a hyper-convenient

world leads to us actually being miserable, that challenge is inherently something that

makes us feel good about life, and Paul's gone.

So deep with this, finding what he's called the sweet spot in between pleasure and pain,

the amount of suffering that we need in order to live a meaningful and enjoyable life.

I really hope that you enjoy this.

If you do, check out the book.

It's a really good read.

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