Hi everyone, I am Helen and this is the Swiggly Careers podcast, a weekly show where we dive into the ins, outs, ups and downs of work and share some ideas for actions and tools for you to try out to give you a bit more confidence and control over your development.

And this is a slightly special episode today because instead of Sarah, their normal co-host and

business partner and best friend that I spend my time with, you've got me and Cal Newport,

guru of deep work and productivity, none of which I am.

This is, I expect a really interesting conversation and a slightly nervous Helen because I was

really interested in learning from Cal, but the way that I work, I expect a really interesting conversation and a slightly nervous Helen because I was really

interested in learning from Cal but the way that I work is so counter to a lot of his concepts.

So I was really honest from the outset that that was where I was coming from but also that I had

you know a very open mind and kind of willingness to learn. And I hope that what you will

listen to in this episode

is me learning through the conversation as well as hopefully what you can learn from as well

because cow was really practical and you know what he was really pragmatic he's not saying that

we all need to go into monk mode every day he is trying to share the importance of why we need to

think differently about how we work

and why it's not sustainable for lots of us to keep working in the maybe quite relentless way we do

across so many things for so longer time without space and this deep work that he talks about.

So he kind of gives a good case for why we might want to do something different. And he also

presents practical ways that we can introduce elements of this to our work. Because I think we're

all on a bit of a scale in terms of how easy we find deep work to do. And I'm at the opposite end of it.

I don't find it easy. Sarah's actually very good at it. But I think some of the ideas that we talk through in the episode are applicable for everybody and not that

difficult to experiment with. So I hope you enjoy it. I would love to get some of your feedback on

what you've learnt and what you might try out and what you think of the conversation. So email us

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