40 Years of Teaching the LSAT (Ep. 557)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.6 • 886 Ratings
🗓️ 4 May 2026
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
Ben and Nathan have taught the LSAT for over 20 years. Students leaving the Demon often give the same advice: read carefully, eliminate wrong answers, and slow down.
Also in this episode
- A large law firm submits a court filing with AI hallucinations
- Whether you need a diagnostic score before starting your LSAT studying
- Tips from Demon students who crushed the LSAT
Reuters Article: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/sullivan-cromwell-law-firm-apologizes-ai-hallucinations-court-filing-2026-04-21/
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| 0:00.0 | 20 years now of teaching the LZat, and I get the exact same feedback every time where people are like, wow, that's a game changer. |
| 0:07.5 | You're talking about actually understanding what you're reading, like simplifying it and making sense of it. |
| 0:12.4 | Yeah. |
| 0:12.6 | And then I just instantly see a 10-point improvement. |
| 0:15.1 | Yeah. |
| 0:15.5 | That's what happens when you do it the easy way. |
| 0:25.0 | Yeah. do it the easy work. Hello and welcome to episode 557 of the Thinking Elseap podcast. |
| 0:29.7 | I'm Ben Olson. |
| 0:30.7 | With me is Nathan Fox. |
| 0:32.7 | We're the co-founders of Elsaid Demon.com and the Elsaid Demon Daily podcast. |
| 0:37.1 | We have a Reuters article here talking about |
| 0:39.4 | Sullivan and Cromwell, having to apologize for their AI hallucinations in a court filing. |
| 0:47.0 | Yeah, we can just hit this real quick because it's something that's happening all the time. |
| 0:51.2 | But Sullivan and Cromwell, a premier Wall Street law firm, |
| 0:58.6 | apologized to a federal judge for submitting a court filing with inaccurate citations and other errors generated by artificial intelligence. |
| 1:04.3 | Guy had to send a letter to the judge apologizing for hallucinations. |
| 1:10.0 | It was caught by opposing law firm, Bowie Schiller, |
| 1:15.2 | Flexner. And so, yeah, had to send a letter to Martin Glenn, chief judge of the U.S. |
| 1:21.2 | bankruptcy court in Manhattan. I apologize on behalf of our entire team. I also called |
| 1:27.0 | Bowie Schiller Flexner LLP on Friday to thank them for bringing this |
| 1:32.3 | matter to our attention and to apologize directly to them as well. |
| 1:38.1 | Anyway, I guess we can start referring to them as this is producer Jacob's joke, but it's, |
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