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I think you still have to go by the evidence because there is nothing else.

I mean, what I want, what they want, doesn't come into it.

It is what the police have found, what the science has found, what the evidence is.

And that's all you can go on.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile.

I'm Laura Richards, victim advocate, analyst, founder and director of Paladin,

National Stalking Advocacy Service and co-creator and co-producer of CBS' Show,

The Case of Jean-Beneur Amzé.

And with me today is...

Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler and former New York City prosecutor

and writer-producer on criminal minds.

And also co-creator and producer on The Case of Jean-Beneur Amzé.

And I'm Lisa Zambetti, I'm the casting director for Criminal Minds

and Criminal Minds Beyond Borders.

And I have a real interest in Real Crime and the minds that solve those crimes.

So our listeners will remember that we are last pod, we talked about Meredith Kurtz,

Sharon, we tried to bring her character really to life,

the type of person that she was and understanding how she lived in her last few months in pre-year.

And Italy.

I really paint the picture of her and really bring her to the focus of our talk.

And a key part of that was using John Kurtz's book, Meredith,

...