I'm Bob Crawford and am joined by Dr. Ben Sawyer. How are you today, Ben?

I'm doing fabulous, Bob. How are you? I'm good. I'm in Sacramento, California, and it's a very

tense city right now because in the middle of this month,

a 22-year-old man, Stefan Clark, was shot by police.

Police were investigating a reported vandalism, and they came upon him an unarmed black man.

He was shot, and currently this city is very tense.

Today's Big Black Lives Matter March is going to be taking place.

There have been protests all week, and I was walking around this this morning and you could feel the tension in

the air you could literally feel the tension in the air yeah and it is it is amazing to me I guess

not surprising but amazing to look at the legacy of America's past.

And look at how we just haven't gotten over totally this issue of racism.

And actually, just today in my class, I dedicated an entire lecture to slavery, and we talk about it as we go

through early America. But just how the system is created to justify the inhumanity of treating

a group of people as property and less than. And just how unfortunate it is that the people who created this notion of hierarchy

to justify their own selfish ends were able to leave behind with them a now 150-year legacy

of continually judging people on the basis of the way light reflects off of their skin.

Yeah, and we see racism not only in the United States, but it happens in cultures where it's the

darker toned. When we would say everyone is dark, it's the darker tone or less than than the lighter tone.

That happens around the world in many different cultures.

We aren't an anomaly, so to speak.

But it does feel like racism is written into our DNA as a nation. It is, it is our

original sin. It is, but and there are, I don't know, I was explaining it, I was explaining

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