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Gender: A Wider Lens

40 — Social Transition: A Powerful Psychosocial Intervention

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2021

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Social transition is often the first recommended intervention when a young person begins questioning his or her gender identity. It entails changing one’s name, pronouns, appearance, and other identity markers to match the desired gender. In very recent years, schools, led by the current gender identity affirmative approach, have taken it upon themselves to support and sometimes encourage students with social transition. Families often feel pressured by professionals to make these powerful changes despite little evidence supporting these interventions. At times, living in another identity can create more problems than it resolves. In this episode Sasha and Stella do a deep dive into the many challenges that arise with social transition.

Links:

Michael Biggs on Puberty Blockers:

Youtube.com/watch?v=9VHlkE40cFk&feature=youtu.be

How Trans Kids and Parents Decide When to Start Medical Transition (VICE News): Youtu.be/QD720mHFqW0

Detrans Needs Survey: Tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2021.1919479

Kai and Kimberly: Vice.com/en/article/9k9bkv/she-was-asking-the-lord-to-let-her-die-raising-a-trans-child-in-texas

Catherine Tuerk: Catherinetuerk.com/about/

1funny.com/my-3-year-old-son-is-a-girl-now/


Extended Notes:

  • What’s the difference between pre-gay children vs. transgender children?
  • Sasha shares a story of how a mother reacted poorly to her son’s femininity.
  • So many families just have no idea what to do in a situation like this.
  • What does transitioning look like for those under 8 or 9?
  • For parents, it’s almost like a scary nightmare when their child says they’re an opposite sex. What do you do? How does one prepare for this?
  • Adults have the responsibility to teach their children about the realities of the world.
  • Should children really be leading the way on how they’re feeling? Should therapists really be listening to these young children?
  • What is sex constancy?
  • It’s so dangerous to have a 4 year old transition.
  • Should you let children explore their gender identity? Sasha thinks it’s a blurry line.
  • Context and environment matters. Watchfully waiting doesn’t always make sense in today’s world when our children have strong influences to ‘be a certain way’.
  • During Stella’s generation, they’d just ask her if she was a boy or a girl. Now, children are being asked by their community if they’re trans. It’s a very different shift.
  • People are put into a very ‘gendered’ box these days. The moment you’re slightly different than that, society asks if you’re transitioning.
  • What are the psychological impacts of a 13 year old socially transitioning?
  • Children who socially transition end up in an interesting situation. They either have to commit 100% or be seen as a fraud.
  • Parents are terrified. They go down this path because they’re afraid their child will commit suicide.
  • Your 5 year old is not going to be committing suicide!
  • There’s so much talk about transphobia and parents kicking these children out of the house. The opposite is true....

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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to gender, a wider lens.

0:04.0

I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:06.5

And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:10.6

Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens

0:16.1

and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning

0:20.7

teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and

0:24.2

individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the

0:28.1

concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens.

0:35.0

Hi Stella, I'm really, really looking forward to this episode.

0:41.0

Yeah, hello Sasha, I am too. I think that when people talk

0:46.6

about social transition I think it's never been in the language before I think it's a new

0:51.2

concept and it's it's kind of it's seeped in without any pause without any

0:56.7

reflection and I hope that we can give some kind of massive kind of analysis of what's going on when people talk about social transition because it's like it came from nowhere

1:06.0

It's like a brother of affirmative that just kind of arrived in without anybody saying let's do these interventions on these

1:15.9

children and so that's what we're going to talk about it. It's there's so much to

1:21.6

cover and I hope we can do it justice.

1:24.0

I guess like something that just popped into my head was that, you know,

1:27.8

you and I have looked a little bit at the work of a psychologist named

1:31.6

Catherine Twerk, I think to you right you E-R-K right and she

1:37.6

she is I think a developmental psychologist who specializes in feminine gay boys and her work has really

1:48.8

shifted a lot over the last few decades because I think it was you know in the 80s or 90s she was kind of a

1:55.0

specialist and so parents who had a very feminine boy who was maybe struggling with

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